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Hi All! Margaret makes some excellent points, which I feel should be shared
with all on the list, so I take the liberty of forwarding this.
Greetings,  Bert.


>From: "margaret paoloni" <peggyannp@msn.com>
>To: "Bert Gedin" <gedinbert@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [casi] disinfo ......
>Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:47:12 -0500
>
>Hi. That is true, bad journalism  is not a reason to justify war against a
>country. Of course. No one would disagree with that.Informed people make
>informed decisions.
>However in the US it goes beyond bad journalism. Most of the journalism in
>the US is  a jounalism to "manufacture consent" as Noam Chomsky" says.
>Most of the easy accessable media is owned by corporations. In fact the
>average american does not even know who Noam Chomsky is. They do not know
>who Noam Chomsky is, or Howard Zinn or any other independant thinker,who is
>critical of this corporate elite ..Trust me the lies are fed on purpose. As
>Noam Chomsky says in a wonderful movie called "Manufacturing Consent" if
>the wrong information was once in awhile he would believe it was an
>accident  but it is too regular. For ex. In the NY Times this sunday, there
>is an article about Sharon. The headline says _ "Warrior, Provocauter, or
>Peacemaker? for any journalist to write such a headline is intellectually
>dishonest. From reading Sharons History   in Lebanon or Palestine I would
>have to  call him a murderer. But no where in the article do they present
>him in that light.
>  Yes in alternative media there are journalists struggling to get the
>truth out and maybe behind the scenes in corporate media
>there are concerned real journalists slipping real stories in.But when you
>see some truth on these corporate stations you see it once and then you
>never see it again. The programs that spread lies about the rest of the
>world are repeated over and over. And you see so little truth that there is
>no balance. If you feed a people a diet of 95 percent lies and once in a
>while feed them some truth, they will believe the lies. Of course there are
>percentage of americans that know they are being fed lies. But it is not
>enough at the moment to mobolize against this corporate elite to get them
>to stop. But I know the numbers are not important. The civil rights
>movement in America was started by a handful of highschool students. And
>then later on by a small boycott. Every country has those kinds of
>stories.I know the media outside the us is different but only you know in
>your own countries how honest or dishonest it is. For ex. if you can
>understand the magnitude of the problem .And please understand I am in no
>way justifying a peoples blindness. Americans are completely deluded about
>their government. And some of it of course is a denial they are more
>comfortable in. It is not easy to see the truth than you have to own the
>magnitude  of the     evil that is operating in the world today. And I know
>I don't sleep well since I have woken up to american governments brutality
>towards the rest of the world. But I will tell you that CNN for example
>talks about these smart bombs that the military drops."They only hit
>military targets and once inawhile hit nonmilitary targets. "Most
>americans think only a few Afghan people have died in these bombings
>because that is how the media has presented it. Of course it is not true.
>It makes me believe media is not the only problem. Education is a problem
>also. If you educate people to think with their heads only and not with
>their  hearts and you don't teach  people to think for themselves they will
>not see thru the lies and propaganda. I traveled thru asia not to long ago
>and most of the people I met could not read or write their own
>language.(Though they could speak 3 or 4 foreign languages from interacting
>with foreigners so often. ) I know you would never be able to convince them
>that only a handful of people had died under american bombs. So much for
>the educated population.that believes the lies too easily.
>  Its an education one is better off without if you loose one's ability to
>connect with all human beings on the planet. Peace.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Bert Gedin
>Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 6:47 PM
>To: gaz@uruklink.net; casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk
>Subject: Re: [casi] disinfo ......
>
>Hi! The difference between the words, 'misinf.' & 'disinf.', as I
>understand
>it, is that 'disinformation' is a deliberate distortion, e.g. in political
>propaganda, or intentionally spreading false rumours about a person or a
>situation. 'Misinformation, however, is a genuine mistake. In the context,
>Fel.Arb. having referred to "The excellent coverage today in 'The
>Guardian',
>it would seem it was an unintended error. There are, very talented
>journalists around, who are passionate about, to the best of their ability,
>giving sincere & truthful accounts of events. My feeling is that in some
>parts of the world independent
>journalism is not only not encouraged, but positively discouraged. Whether
>that applies to Iraq, or not, each one of us may judge for himself, or
>herself. Were it the case that bad journalism existed in a country, that
>would not, I believe, be a valid reason to wage war against that country.
>Greetings,  Bert Gedin, Birmingham, U.K.
>
>
> >From: "Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar" <gaz@uruklink.net>
> >To: <casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk>, "Bert Gedin"
><gedinbert@hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: [casi] disinfo ......
> >Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:04:04 +0300
> >
> >Yesterday it was the BBC today the Guardian tomorrow... Is it a
>coincident
> >or is there a Ministry of "Truth" for all this "misinfo" !!
> >
> >Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar
> >Baghdad, Iraq
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Bert Gedin" <gedinbert@hotmail.com>
> >To: <asceptic@freenetname.co.uk>; <soc-casi-discuss@lists.cam.ac.uk>
> >Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 1:19 AM
> >Subject: Re: [casi] disinfo ......
> >
> >
> >Fel. Arb. makes a valid point re. the monitors. But, am I splitting hairs
> >in
> >suggesting the Subject should have been 'misinfo...', not
> >'disinfo...'?   Greetings,  Bert G., B'ham.
> >
> >
> > >From: "farbuthnot" <asceptic@freenetname.co.uk>
> > >To: soc-casi-discuss@lists.cam.ac.uk
> > >Subject: [casi] disinfo ......
> > >Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:13:12 +0000
> > >
> > >The excellent coverage today in the Guardian was ruined by (p 17)
> >'Unscom
> > >monitors were expelled in 1999'. So shld have been their sub-editors,
> >since
> > >the UNSCOM team fled Iraq in the dawn of 16th December '98, leaving
>their
> > >compatriots to a four day blitzkreig.. best. f.
> > >
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