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Dear list and Ghazwan, >I find it appalling that HRW has jumped on the band wagon of the >pentagon to advocate "regime change American style". What would you say to a regime change 'Iraqi people style'? If such a thing was to happen, whose side would you be on? More directly, whose side where you on in the Iraqi Uprising, when exactly that happened? Did you do what you could to help the Iraqi people liberate themselves, despite America not wanting that to happen, or did you side, because of your political obligations and involvement, with Saddam Hussein? It's a bit of a rhetorical question, because if you sided with the Iraqi people you wouldn't be writing to us today. >Some of us will have to be sent to a rented American base (similar to >Guntanamu) to be interrogated, and we will have no rights at all. It >is comforting to know that Ramsfield boasted we, like Guntanamu >detainees, will have a decent "three meals a day"! We will be shown on >every television station around the world walking blindfolded, >handcuffed and HRW representative will visit the base to inspect our >conditions. I see you use the word 'us' and 'we', confirming your complicity with the regime of Saddam Hussein. What is laughable is that you criticise the awful conditions of those in Guantanamo, yet you are in no position to do so with the track record of the Ba'ath party. In the prisons of Iraq, what you describe above is heaven. Torture is so widespread, especially amongst political prisoners, that it is considered the norm. It's well documented that hundreds, if not thousands have died under 'interrogation'. Recalling only my family's experience, my aunt and her husband were arrested because of mere suspicion that they were housing some people involved in the opposition. They were taken, along with their 4-year-old daughter for 'interrogation'. Those who were in the prison at the time and escaped/released have recalled to us their story. After intense torture of both my aunt and her husband, including rape, the 4 year old girl was brought in front of them and set alight with petrol to try and 'break their will'. She died in front of them, burn to death. This was followed by further beatings and torture. Convinced they were hiding something, the officers took the decision that the man would probably have more information than his wife (my aunt), so they burnt her to death in front of him. After more intense torture, he died. We're not talking about this all happening in a day; it was stretched out over weeks. And despite that, and thousands of similar cases you condemn the documentation of such abuses? Are you trying to pretend it doesn't happen? Or is this merely to ease your own conscience? No doubt you, and the other two (or is it three? I lost count) Ba'athis on this list, along with your friends, will attempt to diffuse and deflect this email and its contents. I just wonder when your conscience will, if ever, catch up with you? Yasser Alaskary ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar" <gaz@uruklink.net> To: "casi" <soc-casi-discuss@lists.cam.ac.uk> Subject: [casi] IF I HAVE YOU AS A FRIEND WHO NEEDS ENEMIES!! Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 20:17:18 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [195.82.107.246] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBECB7B0400354004321EC3526BF6119E0; Sat, 08 Jun 2002 09:26:06 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mythic.beasts.org)by sphinx.mythic-beasts.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2)id 17Gj1S-0005JS-00; Sat, 08 Jun 2002 17:25:02 +0100 Received: from purple.csi.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.4] ident=exim)by sphinx.mythic-beasts.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2)id 17Gj0U-0005Iy-00for casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk; Sat, 08 Jun 2002 17:24:02 +0100 Received: from eximhlpr by purple.csi.cam.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.04)id 17Gj0T-0002v4-00for soc-casi-discuss-outgoing@lists.cam.ac.uk; Sat, 08 Jun 2002 17:24:01 +0100 Received: from [62.32.60.16] (helo=mail.uruklink.net)by purple.csi.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.04)id 17Gj0L-0002uD-00for soc-casi-discuss@lists.cam.ac.uk; Sat, 08 Jun 2002 17:23:54 +0100 Received: from omaralm [10.5.1.40] by mail.uruklink.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.05) id A00E1BE00F6; Sat, 08 Jun 2002 20:25:50 +0400 >From casi-discuss-admin@lists.casi.org.uk Sat, 08 Jun 2002 09:27:14 -0700 Message-ID: <001d01c20f09$25bc3990$2801050a@omaralm> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Precedence: bulk x-plaintext: Presenting plain-text part of multi-format email Sender: casi-discuss-admin@lists.casi.org.uk Errors-To: casi-discuss-admin@lists.casi.org.uk X-BeenThere: casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 List-Help: <mailto:casi-discuss-request@lists.casi.org.uk?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss>,<mailto:casi-discuss-request@lists.casi.org.uk?subject=subscribe> List-Id: CASI Discussion List <casi-discuss.lists.casi.org.uk> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss>,<mailto:casi-discuss-request@lists.casi.org.uk?subject=unsubscribe> [ Presenting plain-text part of multi-format email ] Dear All Peggy in her posting “Human Rights Watch Traveling Film Festival - Home Page” June 06, 2002 10:06 AM. Said: <<The only film that talks about Iraq in this festival is one entitled "Stealing the Fire" which talks about one Karl - Heinz Schaab who according to the film , sold Nuclear secrets to the countries of Pakistan and Iraq. I find it troubling , how the right wing of the USA uses every available access to convince convince a population that war against Iraq is justifiable.>> I find it appalling that HRW has jumped on the band wagon of the pentagon to advocate "regime change American style". America, no doubt, will use its "peace and humanitarian" instruments of B-1, B-2, Crouse missiles; Carpet Bombing, Thermobaric bombs and god know what else to save us (Iraqis) from "the atrocities" of Saddam Hussein. Those of us who are shredded to pieces by the "humanitarian" bombs are to be blamed because we didn't run fast enough to avoid the "legitimate" target. Those us who get killed in schools, hospitals, mosques.. etc.it is Saddam Hussein fault because HE puts anti aircraft near these places. Those killed on the street it is their fault, the ideates SHOULD KNOW that streets are not safe. Collateral damage and targeting errors will destroy houses, bridges, telephone lines, ... human cost? well regrettable!. The survivors will be so tormented for a long time. They will not dare open their mouths for fear of being “liberated” again. If they succeed in "regime change" them they will install a "Ghalizzi to rhyme with Karizzi" regime. Some of us will have to be sent to a rented American base (similar to Guntanamu) to be interrogated, and we will have no rights at all. It is comforting to know that Ramsfield boasted we, like Guntanamu detainees, will have a decent "three meals a day"! We will be shown on every television station around the world walking blindfolded, handcuffed and HRW representative will visit the base to inspect our conditions. Very good PR!! The less dangerous of us will detained inside the country. I am sure HRW will be embarrassed to talk about their treatment because they helped in creating the conditions that lead to our imprisonment. What if they couldn’t get Saddam Hussein? Simple bombing and more bombing, killing and more killing till they get him even if it takes years!. Good has to win over evil at the end!! Having done the Iraq people a favor, in getting rid of Saddam Hussein, America will, probably, ask the future government of Iraq to compensate the Americans for the cost of all the bombs that are used to “liberate Iraq”. Since Iraq is a wealthy country then Iraq will have to pay for its reconstruction all the bridges, telephone systems, hospitals, schools … etc that were destroyed during the “liberation” . I see now that my grand grand child will be paying for the "regime change American style" that HRW helped promoting by jumping on the pentagon band wagon. For HRW I say loudly IF I HAVE YOU AS A FRIEND WHO NEEDS ENEMIES!! For those in Washington and London who are advocating "regime change American style" I ask that they bring their families, their loved ones, their earthly belongings, even their ancestral graves to Iraq before the bombings starts. If they survive the massacre they will know what it means to be bombed to hell! To them I say stop being hypocrites YOU advocated “"regime change American style" YOU must “come to where the action is come to the new Marlboro country” and TASTE YOUR OWN MEDICINE. The irony is that the people who advocate human rights are helping the military in promoting Have a Real War (HRW!) Best Regards Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar Baghdad, Iraq PS: 2020 HRW report will say that the “Ghalizzi regime” is still oppressive and the Iraqi people need to be liberated again! _______________________________________________ Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. 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