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Sama I suspect that Felicity was rubbishing and belittling the propaganda put out by the west rather than the suffering of Iraqis. Felicity has travelled in Iraq and has seen some very unpleasant sights. I do not imagine that she has any particular brief for the dictator. We are all well aware that Saddam Hussein stands indicted of some particularly horrific crimes against humanity. We all know what happened at Halabjah. We have all heard of the torture and the executions, desgined to protect the dictator. On a personal note, I would only be too happy to see "regime change" if only it was part of an organic process and carried out by the Iraqi people themselves or at their direct request and only when the organic nature of it meant that there was a viable alternative that *would have the interests of the people* at heart. However, we are also well aware of the penchant our governments have for constructing elaborate lies in order to sell the unsellable to us. We have heard so much nonsense put forward by so many sources, that we are suspicious and hostile to anything that smacks of propaganda. For what little consolation it may be to you, our suspicion and hostility is provoked as much, if not more so, by the implications such propaganda will have for the people of Iraq as it is by the insult to our intelligence. In Felicity's post, I saw a person who was sick to death of all of the rubbish that we're being fed. I am sure that Felicity will respond to you herself, but I hope she will forgive me for making assumptions on her behalf. However, I think that it is fair to say that everybody who subscribes to this list and bothers to pay any attention to the escalation to massive destruction in Iraq does so out of a purely altruistic regard for the Iraqi people whose forbearance and dignity set an example to all. We are proud to stand in solidarity with them. Diarmuid _______________________________________________ Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. To unsubscribe, visit http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss To contact the list manager, email casi-discuss-admin@lists.casi.org.uk All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk