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Re: [casi] Mark Twain: on anti-war support



Dear everyone,
the Iraqis I associate with do not torture millions,
murder two million, deport three million, and opress
the remainder of the population, unlike the Iraqis you
associate with Ghazwan, you murderous ba'athi.
Hassan

--- Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar <gaz@uruklink.net> wrote:
> Dear list
> Hassan Hadad says about the Iraqi pople < They have
> suffered so much because
> of Saddam, that they would kiss Ariel Sharon's feet,
> if he were installed as
> the puppet for the Americans after Saddam is
> ousted.> I am sure he is taking
> about the Iraqs he associate with. Naturally he is
> free to "kiss Ariel
> Sharon's feet" or any other part of Sharon's body.
> He is talking about the
> "iraqi" people that NO ONE wants to  associate
> himself with!
>
> Best regards
> Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar
> Baghdad, Iraq
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hassan Hadad" <abufellah@yahoo.com>
> To: <casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk>
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [casi] Mark Twain: on anti-war support
>
>
> > Dear Elga, list,
> > Since when have we needed to listen to people such
> as
> > the pope or Mark Twain regarding politics?  Does
> the
> > pope have any clue about what's really going on in
> > Iraq?  Probably not, and I'll bet neither do most
> of
> > the anti-war protesters.  Maybe we should get some
> > meaningful opinions, like the ones of the Iraqi
> > people.  People whose lives and futures are being
> > discussed around the world without their say being
> > included.  If you happen to read some of the
> > high-ranking emails from people in Iraq, you'll
> find
> > that they'll quickly show their love for Saddam
> and
> > their hate for any American interference.  For
> those
> > of you who actually believe these people, I'll let
> you
> > in on a little secret:
> > The average Iraqi would welcome the long overdue
> war
> > against Saddam with open arms and hearts.  They
> have
> > suffered so much because of Saddam, that they
> would
> > kiss Ariel Sharon's feet, if he were installed as
> the
> > puppet for the Americans after Saddam is ousted.
> > Castro is not slaughtering the Cuban people for us
> to
> > be worrying too much about them right now.  We
> should
> > be focusing on the people who are really
> suffering.
> > For all you human rights activists: Where have you
> > been the in the last twenty to thirty years?  Do
> you
> > all of a sudden have a voice when the US is
> finally
> > helping out the Iraqis?  Where were your voices
> when
> > Saddam deported, tortured, and murdered his
> people?
> > Why are you all of a sudden interested in the
> > estimated number of casualties that will take
> place
> > when the Americans take out Saddam?  These numbers
> are
> > a mere fraction of the number of lives already
> lost,
> > and the number of lives that will be lost if
> Saddam
> > stays.  The people that die because of a war with
> Iraq
> > will end up dying under Saddam's regime.  Most
> Iraqis
> > would rather death than the continuity of Saddam's
> > rule.
> > Let's pray that the Iraqi people stop suffering by
> > making sure the American government finally gets
> rid
> > of the dictator that inflicts the suffering.
> > Yours,
> > Hassan
> >
> > --- H Sutter <citext@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > > "Liberate" is Orwellian doublespeak for _invade
> and
> > > occupy_. It's used to make wars of conquest
> > > palatable
> > > to the public. To me, using the terms "liberate"
> or
> > > "collateral damage" signifies utter
> insensitivity.
> > > Sorry,
> > > but that's how I feel.
> > >
> > > Mark Twain hated "liberate" too. If he were here
> > > today,
> > > he would heartily denounce Bush's proposed
> > > "liberation"
> > > of Iraq. It would remind him of Cuba's
> liberation by
> > > US
> > > guns in 1898 - and of many other "liberations".
> > >
> > > Cuba's "liberation" is a well-established US
> myth.
> > >
> > > In a speech on Cuba in May last year, Bush
> ranted
> > > lustily
> > > about "freedom" and "liberation" for Cuba. He
> > > proposed to
> > > put Cuba (once again) on the "path to liberty" -
> ie,
> > > in
> > > the arms of American business.
> > >
> > > Unwisely perhaps, Bush referred to the previous
> > > attempt
> > > when "Cuba's independence was achieved" with US
> > > support.
> > >
> > > This US "support" was in fact an interference
> with
> > > the
> > > Cuban people's strive for independence from
> Spain:
> > > The US
> > > waged war against Spain in 1898 to gain control
> of
> > > Cuba.
> > > As the winner, the US did then "liberate", ie,
> > > invade and
> > > occupy, Cuba and made it a US protectorate. (In
> this
> > > neat
> > > little war the US also grabbed Guam, Porto Rico,
> and
> > > the
> > > Philippines.)
> > >
> > > Cuban aspirations for independence were further
> > > thwarted by
> > > the Platt Amendment in 1901. A student and
> workers
> > > revolution
> > > in 1933 replaced dictator Machado with Grau San
> > > Martin. Quickly
> > > the US arranged for San Martin's ouster and
> > > installed dictator
> > > Batista. For 25 years Batista carried out US
> orders,
> > > making
> > > the Cuban people suffer hardship, oppression and
> > > torture. But
> > > US business concerns flourished - until Batista
> fled
> > > in 1959.
> > >
> > > Witnessing the US exploitation of Cuba and the
> > > Philippines,
> > > Mark Twain became a self-declared
> "anti-imperialist"
> > > - and
> > > opponent of war. (In the Philippines they put up
> a
> > > Mark Twain
> > > memorial and in Cuba too, I believe. He is their
> > > hero.)
> > >
> > > In _The Mysterious Stranger_, he made some
> shrewd
> > > observations
> > > on war propaganda, anti-war support - and
> courage.
> > > (I often
> > > feel disheartened when I see people caving in to
> the
> > > current
> > > onslaught of propaganda. Reading Mark Twain's
> words
> > > makes
> > > this a little easier to accept.)
> > >
> > > Anti-war support wanes quickly, Twain felt,
> because
> > > of the
> > > individual's "desire, for safety's or comfort's
> > > sake, to
> > > stand well in his neighbor's eye".
> > >
> > > This need to be accepted still exists. But today
> > > peace
> > > proponents can encourage one another worldwide -
> > > thanks
> > > to the internet. So the anti-war support for
> Iraq
> > > has
> > > actually gained momentum, especially in the US.
> > >
> > > And if public resistance together with Francis
> > > Boyle's
> > > plan succeed, Bush will never make a speech
> about
> > > Iraq's
> > > "liberation" - by US daisy cutters and 'smart
> > > bombs'.
> > > Just for once, Iraqis may get a chance at
> > > determining
> > > their destiny.
> > >
> > > bon courage,
> > > Elga Sutter
> > >
> > >
> > > Here are some excerpts from _The Mysterious
> > > Stranger_,
> > > chapter nine:
> > >
> > > [Satan's observations on the human race]
> > >
> > > '"Oh, it's true. I know your race. It is made up
> of
> > > sheep.
> > > It is governed by minorities, seldom or never by
> > > majorities. It suppresses its feelings and its
> > > beliefs and
> > > follows the handful that makes the most noise.'
> > > ....
> > >
> > > 'I did not like to hear our race called sheep,
> and
> > > said I
> > > did not think they were. "Still, it is true,
> lamb,"
> > > said
> > > Satan. "Look at you in war--what mutton you are,
> and
> > > how
> > > ridiculous!" "In war? How?"
> > >
> > > "There has never been a just one, never an
> honorable
> > > one--on the part of the instigator of the war. I
> can
> > > see a
> > > million years ahead, and this rule will never
> change
> > > in so
> > > many as half a dozen instances. The loud little
> > > handful--
> > > as usual--will shout for the war. The pulpit
> > > will--warily
> > > and cautiously--object--at first; the great,
> big,
> > > dull
> > > bulk of the nation will rub its sleepy eyes and
> try
> > > to
> > > make out why there should be a war, and will
> say,
> > > earnestly
> > > and indignantly, "It is unjust and dishonorable,
> and
> > > there
> > > is no necessity for it."
> > >
> > > Then the handful will shout louder. A few fair
> men
> > > on the
> > > other side will argue and reason against the war
> > > with
> > > speech and pen, and at first will have a hearing
> and
> > > be
> > > applauded; but it will not last long; those
> others
> > > will
> > > outshout them, and presently the anti-war
> audiences
> > > will
> > > thin out and lose popularity.
> > >
> > > Before long you will see this curious thing: the
> > > [anti-war] speakers stoned from the platform,
> and
> > > free
> > > speech strangled by hordes of furious men who in
> > > their
> > > secret hearts are still at one with those stoned
> > > speakers--as earlier--but do not dare to say so.
> And
> > > now
> > > the whole nation--pulpit and all--will take up
> the
> > > war-cry, and shout itself hoarse, and mob any
> honest
> > > man
> > > who ventures to open his mouth; and presently
> such
> > > mouths
> > > will cease to open.
> > >
> > > Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies,
> putting
> > > the
> > > blame upon the nation that is attacked, and
> every
> > > man will
> > > be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities,
> and
> > > will diligently study them, and refuse to
> examine
> > > any
> > > refutations of them; and thus he will by and by
> > > convince
> > > himself that the war is just, and will thank God
> for
> > > the
> > > better sleep he enjoys after this process of
> > > grotesque
> > > self-deception."'
> > > ###
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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