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Noasalira, I feel that you are spot on in your assertion that African Americans' historic mistreatment at the hands of this cabal lies at the root of the alacrity with which they have shown solidarity with the latest unwilling inductee into the "White Man's Burden" club. Diana, the mere presence of what any honest observer would have to characterize as an underrepresentative, co-opted token population of people of colour in the Bush Administration in no way addresses the central point: African Americans alone have continuosly experienced for hundreds of years the sheer violence, exploitation and repression that this most violent, exploitative and repressive group of men glory in criminally exerting. This is not up for debate, nor is it a racist assertion. It is an empircal statement of fact. And it is for that reason that they are more likely to identify with and help to resist its reinvigorated application to this new population. Southeast Asians enjoyed WMB Membership for about 30 years, and African Americans' actions both at home and abroad during the Viet Nam War Era further support Noasalira's assertion. This solidarity is not, however, ironic. Rather it is the most natural of all human reactions. And it is the foundation upon which any meaningful movement to wrest control from the cabal must be built. >From: Noasalira@aol.com >To: casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk >CC: diana_bndn@earthlink.net >Subject: [casi] Who thrives on this war? >Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:47:00 EST > > >[ Presenting plain-text part of multi-format email ] > >All: > >Although the 'protesters' have been accused of excusing the brutality of >the >Sadaam regime, it is more so the 'right' that supported such brutality as >it >benefited them, then gave no thought to killing innocent Iraqi citizens - >and >sending US/UK soldiers to die - now that they no longer feel such a regime >is >serving their interests in the region. As much as the regime of Sadaam, >this >'right' western cabal of people believe that the death of innocent men, >women >and children is only 'collateral' damage in their quest for power. > >Both the calls of 'support our troops' and 'think of the iraqi people >suffering under Sadaam' are being used to manipulate opinion in their >favor. >They don't care about American troops or about Iraqi people. The same >pro-war congress members voted to cut something as basic as health benefits >- >never plentiful anyway - for Veterans. Why? Because once they have >fulfilled >their use as human shields for political injustice, they are no longer >important. > >I really believe all the complaints about the 'brutality' of Sadaam's >regime >is just envy. A big dicussion for the UK and the US is how Iraq doesn't >obey >the same rules of war that they 'have to' - which means they would like to >be >free from criticism to murder at will. They complain that the Iraqi people >aren't welcoming the UK/US invaders because such people are still repressed >by Sadaam - the same people then complain that 'traitors' dare to criticize >the Blair and Bush teams. > >The massive hate and bloodshed of this war has aroused the senses of the >most >repressive, violent and racist elements within the western societies. It >is >as though one has spread blood out in the woods and attracted all manner of >scavengers to get a taste. > >N > >Reply-To: <diana_bndn@earthlink.net> >From: <diana_bndn@earthlink.net> >To: <noasalira@aol.com> >Cc: <diana_bndn@earthlink.net> >Subject: Re [casi] If Arabs Mistrust America, There's Good Reason.txt >Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:29:39 -0500 >Importance: Normal >X-Plaintext: Presenting plain-text part of multi-format email > > >[ Presenting plain-text part of multi-format email ] > >Seems to me that you are the one that is being racist. Within the >current administration and including the military there are many blacks >and Arabs. >Diana ><!-- MHonArc v2.4.6 --> ><!--X-Subject: Re: [casi] If Arabs Mistrust America, There's Good Reason >--> ><!--X-From-R13: abnfnyvenNnby.pbz --> ><!--X-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:32:02 +0000 --> ><!--X-Message-Id: 413D5817.68B508EC.0331C3D2@aol.com --> ><!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> ><!--X-Head-End--> ><!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD HTML//EN"> ><html> ><head> ><title>Re: [casi] If Arabs Mistrust America, There's Good Reason</title> ><meta name="date" content="2002-12-24"> ></head> ><body> ><!--X-Body-Begin--> ><!--X-User-Header--> ><!--htdig_noindex--> ><p>The following is an archived copy of a message sent to a ><a href="http://www.cam.ac.uk/societies/casi/discuss.html"> >Discussion List</a> run by the <a >href="http://www.cam.ac.uk/societies/casi/">Campaign Against Sanctions on >Iraq</a>. ><p>Views expressed in this archived message are those of the author, >not of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. ><p> >[<a href="../index.html">Main archive index/search</a>] >[<a href="http://www.cam.ac.uk/societies/casi/lists.html">List >information</a>] >[<a href="http://www.cam.ac.uk/societies/casi/">Campaign Against Sanctions >on Iraq Homepage</a>] ><p> ><!--X-User-Header-End--> ><!--X-TopPNI--> ><HR> >[<A HREF="msg02353.html">Date Prev</A>][<A HREF="msg02355.html">Date >Next</A>][<A HREF="msg02320.html">Thread Prev</A>][<A >HREF="msg02319.html">Thread Next</A>][<A HREF="date.html#02354">Date >Index</A>][<A HREF="thread.html#02354">Thread Index</A>] ><!--X-TopPNI-End--> ><!--X-MsgBody--> ><!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> ><!--/htdig_noindex--> ><h1>Re: [casi] If Arabs Mistrust America, There's Good Reason</h1> ><hr> ><!--X-Subject-Header-End--> ><!--X-Head-of-Message--> ><UL> ><LI><em>From</em>: noasalira@DELETETHISaol.com</LI> ><LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [casi] If Arabs Mistrust America, There's Good >Reason</LI> ><LI><em>Date</em>: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:30:55 -0500</LI> ></UL> ><!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> ><!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> ><HR> ><!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> ><!--X-Body-of-Message--> ><PRE> >Most African-Americans have always distrusted the leadership and mainstream >media/institutions of >America - and sadly far too many arabs - especially the 'lighter' 'whiter' >ones dismissed the >complaints, and accepted the general mainstream "white american" >perspective on African-Americans. >They felt that the negative (racist) stereotypes were mostly correct, that >the complaints of racism >were largely unjustified - and many quickly agreed with the stereotypes (in >part to agree with the >mainstream perspective, as well as a continuation of ideas they already >held.) > >Yet post 9/11 having allowed many in the maintream American society to find >some (false) >justification in their previously quietly held racists views towards >Arabs/Muslims, many Arabs have >a better sense of what African-Americans have previously expressed. > >Particularly ironic (but positive) is that most African-Americans, because >of their already held >understandings and experiences, have are the strongest voices against >mistreatment of Arabs, and >the negativity of the U.S. government. > >_______________________________________________ >Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. >To unsubscribe, visit <A >HREF="http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss">http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss</A> >To contact the list manager, email casi-discuss-admin@lists.casi.org.uk >All postings are archived on CASI's website: <A >HREF="http://www.casi.org.uk">http://www.casi.org.uk</A> > ></PRE> > ><!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> ><!--X-MsgBody-End--> ><!--X-Follow-Ups--> ><!--htdig_noindex--> ><!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> ><!--X-References--> ><!--X-References-End--> ><!--X-BotPNI--> ><UL> ><LI>Prev by Date: ><STRONG><A HREF="msg02353.html">Re: [casi] Iraq - 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>and >sending US/UK soldiers to die - now that they no longer feel such a regime >is >serving their interests in the region. As much as the regime of Sadaam, >this >'right' western cabal of people believe that the death of innocent men, >women >and children is only 'collateral' damage in their quest for power. > >Both the calls of 'support our troops' and 'think of the iraqi people >suffering under Sadaam' are being used to manipulate opinion in their >favor. >They don't care about American troops or about Iraqi people. The same >pro-war congress members voted to cut something as basic as health benefits >- >never plentiful anyway - for Veterans. Why? Because once they have >fulfilled >their use as human shields for political injustice, they are no longer >important. > >I really believe all the complaints about the 'brutality' of Sadaam's >regime >is just envy. A big dicussion for the UK and the US is how Iraq doesn't >obey >the same rules of war that they 'have to' - which means they would like to >be >free from criticism to murder at will. They complain that the Iraqi people >aren't welcoming the UK/US invaders because such people are still repressed >by Sadaam - the same people then complain that 'traitors' dare to criticize >the Blair and Bush teams. > >The massive hate and bloodshed of this war has aroused the senses of the >most >repressive, violent and racist elements within the western societies. It >is >as though one has spread blood out in the woods and attracted all manner of >scavengers to get a taste. > >N > >Reply-To: <diana_bndn@earthlink.net> >From: <diana_bndn@earthlink.net> >To: <noasalira@aol.com> >Cc: <diana_bndn@earthlink.net> >Subject: Re [casi] If Arabs Mistrust America, There's Good Reason.txt >Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:29:39 -0500 >Importance: Normal >X-Plaintext: Presenting plain-text part of multi-format email > > >[ Presenting plain-text part of multi-format email ] > >Seems to me that you are the one that is being racist. Within the >current administration and including the military there are many blacks >and Arabs. >Diana ><!-- MHonArc v2.4.6 --> ><!--X-Subject: Re: [casi] If Arabs Mistrust America, There's Good Reason >--> ><!--X-From-R13: abnfnyvenNnby.pbz --> ><!--X-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:32:02 +0000 --> ><!--X-Message-Id: 413D5817.68B508EC.0331C3D2@aol.com --> ><!--X-Content-Type: text/plain --> ><!--X-Head-End--> ><!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD HTML//EN"> ><html> ><head> ><title>Re: [casi] If Arabs Mistrust America, There's Good Reason</title> ><meta name="date" content="2002-12-24"> ></head> ><body> ><!--X-Body-Begin--> ><!--X-User-Header--> ><!--htdig_noindex--> ><p>The following is an archived copy of a message sent to a ><a href="http://www.cam.ac.uk/societies/casi/discuss.html"> >Discussion List</a> run by the <a >href="http://www.cam.ac.uk/societies/casi/">Campaign Against Sanctions on >Iraq</a>. ><p>Views expressed in this archived message are those of the author, >not of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. ><p> >[<a href="../index.html">Main archive index/search</a>] >[<a href="http://www.cam.ac.uk/societies/casi/lists.html">List >information</a>] >[<a href="http://www.cam.ac.uk/societies/casi/">Campaign Against Sanctions >on Iraq Homepage</a>] ><p> ><!--X-User-Header-End--> ><!--X-TopPNI--> ><HR> >[<A HREF="msg02353.html">Date Prev</A>][<A HREF="msg02355.html">Date >Next</A>][<A HREF="msg02320.html">Thread Prev</A>][<A >HREF="msg02319.html">Thread Next</A>][<A HREF="date.html#02354">Date >Index</A>][<A HREF="thread.html#02354">Thread Index</A>] ><!--X-TopPNI-End--> ><!--X-MsgBody--> ><!--X-Subject-Header-Begin--> ><!--/htdig_noindex--> ><h1>Re: [casi] If Arabs Mistrust America, There's Good Reason</h1> ><hr> ><!--X-Subject-Header-End--> ><!--X-Head-of-Message--> ><UL> ><LI><em>From</em>: noasalira@DELETETHISaol.com</LI> ><LI><em>Subject</em>: Re: [casi] If Arabs Mistrust America, There's Good >Reason</LI> ><LI><em>Date</em>: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 19:30:55 -0500</LI> ></UL> ><!--X-Head-of-Message-End--> ><!--X-Head-Body-Sep-Begin--> ><HR> ><!--X-Head-Body-Sep-End--> ><!--X-Body-of-Message--> ><PRE> >Most African-Americans have always distrusted the leadership and mainstream >media/institutions of >America - and sadly far too many arabs - especially the 'lighter' 'whiter' >ones dismissed the >complaints, and accepted the general mainstream "white american" >perspective on African-Americans. >They felt that the negative (racist) stereotypes were mostly correct, that >the complaints of racism >were largely unjustified - and many quickly agreed with the stereotypes (in >part to agree with the >mainstream perspective, as well as a continuation of ideas they already >held.) > >Yet post 9/11 having allowed many in the maintream American society to find >some (false) >justification in their previously quietly held racists views towards >Arabs/Muslims, many Arabs have >a better sense of what African-Americans have previously expressed. > >Particularly ironic (but positive) is that most African-Americans, because >of their already held >understandings and experiences, have are the strongest voices against >mistreatment of Arabs, and >the negativity of the U.S. government. > >_______________________________________________ >Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. >To unsubscribe, visit <A >HREF="http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss">http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss</A> >To contact the list manager, email casi-discuss-admin@lists.casi.org.uk >All postings are archived on CASI's website: <A >HREF="http://www.casi.org.uk">http://www.casi.org.uk</A> > ></PRE> > ><!--X-Body-of-Message-End--> ><!--X-MsgBody-End--> ><!--X-Follow-Ups--> ><!--htdig_noindex--> ><!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> ><!--X-References--> ><!--X-References-End--> ><!--X-BotPNI--> ><UL> ><LI>Prev by Date: ><STRONG><A HREF="msg02353.html">Re: [casi] Iraq - 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