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Re: [casi] Mass Graves




Dear List,

As a non-Iraqi, speaking in nobody's name, I still
have the right to disbelieve the obvious lie that
life in occupied Iraq is just fine: "Iraq back on
track, U.S. official says", Globe, March 27. The
official is Paul Bremer.

So I second the motion on that reality check, Roger.
Let me know when you start collecting for those
bus tickets - I want to chip in.

"Liberated Iraqis consider the end justified the
means", writes Muhamed from a computer terminal
in Greater London - not having suffered from the
"means" and not living in the "end".

The means were not only cruise missiles - shock
and awe. The longest and most devastating means
were the sanctions. For thirteen years life and
hope was squeezed out of the Iraqi people. Some
actually preferred a quick death by bombing to
the long, drawn-out torture the sanctions imposed.

But perhaps Muhamed was one of those who petitioned
for this war. Perhaps his signature, among hundreds
of others, was submitted to Downing Street and to
the Security Council asking that the means be
inflicted on the Iraqi people - for their own good.

And perhaps he sometimes thinks about the victims:
the maimed, orphaned, widowed, homeless, starving,
displaced, traumatized, and the broken-hearted?
For the dead, of course, the choice has been made.

He must also be aware of the real, 'unliberated'
situation: the devastation, the chaos, the lack
of security, the loss of dignity, the pain, and
the complete breakdown of this society he calls
his own.

So stories like the "mass graves", the "baby
parades, the OFF money, and so on, may help people
like Muhamed to assuage their conscience - if they
have a conscience. I have no other explanation...

--Elga


-----------Original Message----------

To: casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk
From: VnStroope@aol.com
Subject: Re: [casi] Mass Graves
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 11:59:32 EDT


In a message dated 06/02/2003 7:53:15 AM Central
Daylight Time,
mali@gw.hackney.gov.uk writes:

> Genuine friends of the Iraqi people should be
> congratulating them on the downfall of their tormentor,
> regardless of who and how it was achieved. Liberated
> Iraqis consider the end justified the means. They expect
> and deserve all the help they can get from others.
> Ironically, that help has recently come from
> "Imperialist powers to be" rather than the self
> proclaimed "Anti Imperialists" of the 21st century. The
> latter should adopt some other cause and refrain from
> speaking in the name of the Iraqis.

> Otherwise, the Iraqis polite message to them is:
> NOT IN OUR NAME.


Between you and Yasser, in order to accept your view of
Iraq, we will need to rewrite the history books,
psychology texts, sociological texts, and bury our heads
in the sand whilst kissing our backsides good-bye with a
USUK boot up our butts.

To suggest that Iraqis feel as if the ends justify the
means is unknowable by the two of you who happily sit
outside the sovereign nation once called Iraq.  What we
can know for certain, is that the dismembered, dead, and
maimed of Iraq are unable to hand a carnation to a
passing soldier who recently shot one of their family
members in the head, or bound and gagged an Iraqi
citizen while carrying them about at the end of a
forklift, or forced them to disrobe and simulate sex
acts! The reason I know they wont be waiving any flags
or handing out carnations, their dead or have been
liberated of the ability to hand anything as their
hands are blown off. You two should get off of your
computers and get a one way ticket to Iraq. Then, go to
the center of downtown Iraq, and tell the Iraqi
citizens, the ones who survived shock and awe and the
civilized liberation of their ministries, their museums,
their limbs, their money, their dignity, those glowing
with radiation, that they should be happy that the USUK
emperium has just stolen their lives, their past, their
future, and their dignity, and lets just have a little
look-see at what happens to the two of you. I will
happily collect monies for your bus tickets.

Yours in idiocy...

Roger Stroope
Austin College
Sherman Texas, USA
www.austincollege.edu





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