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URL CORRECTION. Sorry. If interested, the lengthy Gregory Copley piece, notable only for its extreme irony, is found here: http://www.zoran.net/afp/text/strategicstudies/newrome.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "ppg" <ppg@nyc.rr.com> To: <bob.steel1@juno.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [casi] FOX NEWS, June 2 :Weapons of Mass Destruction > > -----> "I am always suspicious of FOX news and the > people they interview" > > Yes, as are we all. > > >> >Greg Copley, president of the International Strategic >Studies > > Association, > > > > I don't know who this is. Perhaps I'll be able to get to library and > > research, but there's no information in my files abuot the man or > > organization. > > ISSA is a part of the vast GOP disinformation > network. > Go here: http://www.strategicstudies.org/issa.htm > > To get an idea of Gregory Copley's worldview: > Go here: http://www.strategicstudies.org/issa.htm > > Message ----- > From: <bob.steel1@juno.com> > To: <casi-discuss@lists.casi.org.uk> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 4:26 PM > Subject: Re: [casi] FOX NEWS, June 2 :Weapons of Mass Destruction > > > > > > On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:44:37 -0400 "ppg" <ppg@nyc.rr.com> writes: > > >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,88337,00.html > > > > I am always suspicious of FOX news and the people they interview. > > > > [Bush:] > > >when Colin Powell (search) stood up in front of the >world, and said > > Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to >build biological weapons. > > They're illegal. > > >They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've >so far > > discovered two. > > > > Apparantly not -- they are only asserted to be such, and much in doubt by > > experts. > > > > The vehicles shown in the photos in Powell's presentation were said by > > Blix to be ordinary maintenance vehicles. > > > > >And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for >those who say we > > haven't found the banned manufacturing >devices or banned weapons, > > they're wrong. We found them. > > > > Nope -- he is lying. > > > > >Greg Copley, president of the International Strategic >Studies > > Association, > > > > I don't know who this is. Perhaps I'll be able to get to library and > > research, but there's no information in my files abuot the man or > > organization. > > > > >there's still a lot of Iraq to search. However, in >August-September > > last year, they moved huge amounts of >fissile material, chemical, and > > biological material to a >Comishly, a town in Syria, just across the > > border, from > > > > The US was conducting military operations in Iraq at that time, if I > > remember right, leading to the question of why they weren't interfered > > with. How was this known? Was UNMOVIC and the UN informed? Was nothing > > said the Syrians? > > > > >Iraq, to the Hishishi compound there. So, they -- they >consistently > > moved weapons, laboratories, documents, and >so on there for safekeeping > > during the war. > > > > > > But there was no war then. What would be the Saddam's motivation to give > > awy such weapons -- especially if he suspected war was coming and he > > would need them? > > > > >ago. The laboratories for the actual weapons and warheads >themselves > > was being done in Iraq and moved out, let's >say, in August-September, > > last year. > > > > Or let's say 10 years ago as numerous Iraqi scientists and military have > > now said. > > > > Or we can say, yes -- all the weapons were moved out of Iraq before > > UNMOVIC hit the ground -- so why then was it asserted so definitely that > > WMD were in Iraq, were ready to fired within 45 minutes, were liable to > > be given to terrorists, was a justification for war? If they weren't in > > Iraq, then Saddam didn't control them, and Saddam was no longer a threat. > > They can't have it BOTH ways! > > > > >Right now, we know that a lot of it is still sitting >there, in -- in > > Comishly. The Scuds and so on, which were >separately moved across the > > border just before the war >started. They're still sitting there; and a > > lot of > > > > Of course -- just the thing: Iraq is about to be attacked so naturally > > they would get rid of all their weaponry. It is only surprising that > > Saddam didn't also disband the army and send all the soldiers into Syria > > also... > > > > >SNOW: Now, you knew about this before the war began? > > > > > >COPLEY: Correct. > > > > But Iraq was attacked anyway... > > > > But this is a different story that Woolsey gave, and certainly much > > different than the Administartion stated with certainty. > > > > >SNOW: Then, why didn't the American public hear about it? > > > > > >COPLEY: I'm not sure why the American public didn't hear >about it. We > > told the U.S. intelligence services, and >they -- they're aware of it. I > > believe that it's because >both the British Prime Minister and the White > > House > > >wanted to have a very, very clean, simple argument to >take to the > > American population, and to the U.N. to say > > >let us go into Iraq. > > > > What???!! You mean they L-- L-- .. LIED?? To the American public and the > > UN?? > > > > Hmmm... "WE" told the intelligence? Who is "we" that they know all these > > things which intelligence was clueless about? Who is this "International > > Strategic Studies Association" who has such capabilities beyond US > > intelligence? > > > > >another matter, all together. We know that al Qaeda was >given chemical > > weapons by the Saddam administration in >the past couple of years. So, > > there's a chance that they > > Oh yes? Again, who is "we", who apparantly has sound intelligence -- so > > as to "know" -- which is apparantly not available to top government > > officials such as Senate intelligence committees? Did Graham or Lang ever > > hear of this? > > > > It's amazing how all these "experts" contradict each other, and how FOX > > goes right along with it all. I wonder -- if the US *knows* for certain > > that all the WMDs are in Syria, then why are they sending yet another > > team (1,300 people, no less) to look for them in Iraq? Perhaps the light > > is better there?? > > > > I think there is a clear failure of the news media (especially American) > > to let all these threads hang so loosely, neither doing adaquate > > fact-checking nor even questioning inconsistencies -- quite aside from > > what looks like deliberate bias and manipulation by agents like FOX. "The > > media is the message"! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. > > To unsubscribe, visit > http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss > > To contact the list manager, email casi-discuss-admin@lists.casi.org.uk > > All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk > _______________________________________________ Sent via the discussion list of the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq. To unsubscribe, visit http://lists.casi.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/casi-discuss To contact the list manager, email casi-discuss-admin@lists.casi.org.uk All postings are archived on CASI's website: http://www.casi.org.uk